I was looking at a Haydenshapes board in a shop yesterday and noticed Global Surf Industries was written on the price tag. Does that mean they own Haydenshapes? I know most of the GSI shapers basically make popouts (7s, Aloha, etc.) so could that mean the Haydens are being ****tily mass-produced as well? I really hope not because they seem like really cool boards (albeit pricey) and I was thinking about buying one.
Good Question! Looking at Haydeshapes.com you can special order one, shaped on a c.n.c. from AKU machine and finished by hand and glassed and laminated by PureGlass in Costa Mesa, Cali. hence made in the good old U.S.A.. Now as for buying one off the floor, don't know the answer to that, but if you look at the back of the board by the fins it should tell you where it was made...check it out and let us know, they are a nice looking board.
you can order directly from them. they are not owned by GSI. GSI is licensed to produce them. don't buy that GSI crap. made by people that have never even seen the ocean. why not order one from a local shaper? some of the hayden's are cool shapes, but nothing a local dude couldn't make you.
Maybe some people can only afford a bard made by gsi due to price. I had a walden cd4 mini longboard and it was gsi and it was a phenomenal board, the quality was excellent. Is it detrimental to the sport or welfare of others to buy products made in fashion to sell at a more affordable price? Something to think about...
on the site it says stock futureflex USA boards are $775 which is about what they're going for in the shop. i'll definitely look next time im there.
I have have a pure glass hayden shred sled 6' I'll sell you ridden like 4 times still in perfect condition, no dents or dings.
so does that mean they're being made by GSI? specifically the ones at this shop, since it actually says global surf industries on it. wouldn't that mean they're also using ****ty production techniques on those as well?
i see your point. it's a kind of yes and no answer, but that's also the walmart argument. but you gotta do what you gotta do. most local shapers don't compete on price with 'fashionable' companies like Hayden, which have lots of marketing $ to make up for. most people, when buying boards from companies like burton islands, lost, rusty, hayden, etc.. are mostly after a cool logo. i'd take fl.surfdogs advice (if your really wanting a Hayden) and order one directly through Pureglass. quality glass work. their vac-bagged, stringerless/carbon rail eps boards are very nice. plus...GSI boards are basically the same $ as what you'd pay for a locally made board anyhow.
I purchased 5'9 7S superfish for $280 brand new that was made in Thailand by GSI. It's glassed well and hasn't gotten unreasonable yellow tint after 5 years nor has it been dinged up. I have nothing bad to say about it but I will probably go to a local shaper for future boards. I feel like my ability is finally warranting a board tuned to my taste.
wow...where to begin... 1. the gsi haydens are generally done in future flex construction, & retail for close to $800. hardly affordable. a pure glass build ff hayden wouldn't be too much more, possibly less, & a poly or eps one would definitely be cheaper. 2. it is 100% detrimental to surfing & surf culture b/c when you buy a board built overseas, you're taking money away from a local, or at least domestic, board builder. & it's not like those overseas manufacturers are doing anything revolutionary in terms construction...most of that is happening domestically w/ future flex, coil industries, & a myriad of backyard/small scale operations that are experimenting w/ alternative construction methods, materials, & techniques. the only thing the overseas guys are doing is mimicking those guys & undercutting them on price. as someone else said, don't buy anything w/ a gsi laminate on it...surfing's version of monsanto.
are the pureglass ones actual haydenshapes boards just ordered from a different source, or are do they just recreate the shape? how much does it cost from them compared to buying a hayden in a shop, and how can i order one?
the pureglass haydens are actually shaped by hayden cox himself & glassed at the pureglass factory california. if you go standard poly & stock glassing, it shouldn't be any more than you'd pay for a custom ...lost or whatever...$600 or so. you should be able to roll into your local shop that carries haydens & order one up.
ok now i'm confused. the boards in the shop have GSI on the tags so wouldn't that mean they're ordering from them instead of pureglass? so would i still be able to make an order to pureglass through them or is there a way online?
hayden shapes at pureglass. they glass, cnc cut boards also have a bunch of shaping rooms there. made in the US. GSI is definitely the monsanto of the surf world. plus, GSI trys to make it impossible for local/smaller dudes to compete. boards are given to shops who in turn, don't have to pay for 6 months, a year, whatever. low hanging fruit for the shop. not to much risk and they get to sell the trendy logo. local/smaller shapers simply cannot do this. they have to get paid up front.
you should absolutely be able to request that your custom order hayden be done at pureglass & not be a gsi popout.
I have had 2 hayden from Pureglass and another from GSI. No complaints with either board in terms of durability or design/shape--cost was relatively the same. In regards to the entire GSI/pop-out debate...Hayden commented on a 'erbb thread a while ago regarding why he went with the Cobra factory as well mentions he pretty much rides the GSI stuff while traveling--thought that was a pretty interesting when a shaper/designer is riding that type of gear...new school builder and new school perspectives... http://forum.surfermag.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB4&Number=2226007&Searchpage=1&Main=2225745&Words=+live4truth&topic=&Search=true#Post2226007
that's nice...good for hayden. the cynic in me says, "of course he's going to say that...he still gets paid whether someone goes directly to him or through gsi." every board i've seen from gsi has been a whole lot of "meh" from a design standpoint. nothing innovative or even slightly different. they are truly generic surfboards. medium-full, soft rails through the front 2/3 of the board transitioning to a hard rail the last 1/3, slight single-double concave, moderate rocker profile...white bread. of course they work...it's a tried & true formula, hard to **** it up. worth mentioning that gsi is an australian company...they've been exposed to it for far longer & more intensely than the us has. aussies generally have a different view on the china/thailand built surfboard also. they seem more tolerant/accepting of it. hayden may be a "new school" board designer, but in my experience, no one gives a damn about anything he does outside of the hypto krypto...which is just a glorified egg. nothing too revolutionary there beyond him partnering w/ the future flex folks.